Does rev rate determine how deep you can play?

[Hammer]

If you have a rev rate of 250 would you be able to play deep with your slide foot on board 35? It seems like you wouldn't be able to swing it out to say the 5 board at the breakpoint and have it come back with much energy to the pocket. Whereas if you have a rev rate of 375 to 425 you might have a better chance. If you have a 250 rev rate playing on board 35 with your slide foot you might have a better chance if your breakpoint was at board 25. This would also depend what type of ball and surface you were using. So it seems low rev rate wouldn't be able to play as deep as someone with a high rev rate. So what are your thoughts on this?

[mishatx]

Isn't it really about matching rev rate to ball speed? Although I suppose there's a lower limit for both where playing deep just won't work...

[Hammer]

Isn't it really about matching rev rate to ball speed? Although I suppose there's a lower limit for both where playing deep just won't work...

If you had a 250 rev rate and were playing deep you would have to have a slower ball speed for the ball to have time to react once it hit the dry area.

[1VegasBowler]

If you're low speed and low rev like I am (14 & 250), it is very possible to slide at the 35, but you have to be very accurate when you release the ball or you're asking for big trouble! lol

[chip82901]

You have to find friction. For a lower rev guy, you need to find friction sooner, so the ball will make the turn. For a rev/speed dominate player, its all about keeping it in the oil as much as possible. So, for a guy that is a 250 rev rate, he may have the same break point, but he will need less time to get it there, if that makes any sense. For instance, you don't see WRWJ moving deep inside, because his rev rate doesn't allow him to play there. Instead, you will see him straighten up and find the friction a bit earlier to get the ball into a roll. Where as you see someone like Belmo or Sean Rash playing deeper inside, as with their rev rate, they can't find the friction early as it will result in disaster

[fokai73]

You have to find friction. For a lower rev guy, you need to find friction sooner, so the ball will make the turn. For a rev/speed dominate player, its all about keeping it in the oil as much as possible. So, for a guy that is a 250 rev rate, he may have the same break point, but he will need less time to get it there, if that makes any sense. For instance, you don't see WRWJ moving deep inside, because his rev rate doesn't allow him to play there. Instead, you will see him straighten up and find the friction a bit earlier to get the ball into a roll. Where as you see someone like Belmo or Sean Rash playing deeper inside, as with their rev rate, they can't find the friction early as it will result in disaster

Low speed low rev bowlers need to find friction sooner? how are you reading the lane and ball motion? is your statement for bowlers who's rev/speed match up? or for slow speed slow revs?

[chip82901]

I don't think what I am meaning is coming out right. What I am saying is, a lower speed, lower rev bowler will need to play further right (or left for you south paws) than a high rev player would have to. Obviously, if you have high revs/low speed, you're going to have to move inside. But, your lower rev/lower speed players will have to play on a THS somewhere around 17-20 at the arrows and get it out to the friction. Where as your high speed/high rev player will be still playing that same break point, just with a much bigger shape from being inside at the arrows (most between 25-20).

[bowl1820]

You should read Rob's article on Bowling This Month called Playing Without a Parachute: How to learn to play deep

https://www.bowlingthismonth.com/bow...t-a-parachute/
(you can read the whole article without a subscription)

Excerpt:

There was a bowler to my left who threw one of the most memorable games I have ever seen. He shot 279 playing the 4th arrow and never getting the ball outside the 15th board down lane. This was not unusual except for the fact that this bowler was not the usual “cranker” used to playing a line like this.

He was a low rev player who relied not on power, but on accuracy, to play that inside line so effectively. I’ve since become friends with Terry Leong. I remind him about the PBA telecasts where the announcers talk about “ten in the pit” where that day his game was “three on the deck!” Terry has used his accuracy and ability to play inside lines and become a senior bowler with a reputation to always be a fac – tor in tournaments including the Senior U.S. Open and the Senior Masters.

and here's a quote from Ron Clifton:

One thing that lower rev players often don't understand is that it's higher rev rates that force bowlers deeper and deeper. A lower rev player can pretty much stay put game after game, and the higher rev player may have to move ten boards left.

The lower rev player's ball can just skid and skid and skid through the heads, and the higher rev player's ball is reading at his toe. There are good and bad things about both styles. Sean Rash doesn't move over to the first arrow and fluff it up the boards like Duke and Walter because he can't, even if he wanted too.

[1VegasBowler]

I know Terry Leong as well and he is a very good bowler.

[RobLV1]

At the Master's a few weeks ago, I had a very interesting discussion with Martin Larson on this very subject. He told me that just because he doesn't have a high rev rate, he can still play the entire lane, from gutter to gutter. He relies on accuracy. The key is in the original post above. You don't have to "swing it out to five board" to play deep... you just move everything, your feet your target, and the breakpoint to the left. In doing this, you don't have to "find friction early". On a 40' pattern, there is twenty feet of friction past the pattern. The difference between house bowlers and pro bowlers is that the house bowler sees the lane from side to side, while the pro bowler sees the lane from front to back. Once you learn to do this, you can play any part of the lane that you choose.