Stroker high backswing?
Every time I have tried to get a high backswing just to learn how, it took a little bit of shoulder effort to get it up there. However, a stroker isn't suppose to use muscle in the swing. I do put my balance hand forward and a little down, but I have not jerked it forward or anything like that. How is this suppose to be done correctly? I'm actually asking because my brother really wants to know. Does it have anything to do with a figure 8? push away left, cross over steps go left?
Read this:
Click this for How High Can A Free Swing Go? by Ron Clifton
Here's a quote I like also.
"Back swing height is irrelevant as long as there is no muscle required to get it up there, or keep it from going up there. If you just let your arm swing, you'll find your arm swing is as high as it needs to be and no more."
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I am a stroker(about 250 revs & 15-16mph) and I have a big armswing and it's all about gravity!
Think of your arm like a pendulam! Push your ball out to 3 0'clock and keeping your hand under the ball let gravity bring your arm to 9 o'clock,then gravity will bring it back to 3 o'clock were by you should have released it into a handshake position. Remember to keep your arm straight and ball close to your slide foot upon release.
If you have never used a big armswing you might have some shoulder pain,but,once you get the proper form you should not have any pain in shoulder.
Check out some youtube videos of Pete Weber bowling form. I know their are several videos on these boards,but,don't remember where.
Zothen
Last edited by Zothen; 10-26-2012 at 12:39 PM.
I think you are describing the figure 8. Are you left handed? books and videos I see, say to do the opposite being right handed. They push left first. Then walk left, either by step overs or walking strait left, and have the ball finish I can't remember.Originally Posted by Zothen
I consider myself a Stroker but have been told with speed over 18mph and over 400 revs that's not the case lol
A right-hander will use a crossover step to their left with the right foot to put the ball out to the right. The figure 8 or pro loop that you are referring to is actually very minimal. The pros who have perfected it can do this within a 4" area when viewed from behind. By 4" area I'm talking about viewing this loop from the rear and the area is horizontal from there.
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I think any style you shouldn't be putting muscle into it. It should be a free arm swing for constancy. But having said that its easier said than done.
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The article by Ron Clifton, nails it. You do have to get lower in your approach, on or about your 2nd or 3rd step, to pull off a higher back swing. One of the inherent problems in trying this would be losing site of your target because of moving your head too much on the approach. If you can maintain your accuracy, no problem. But if you start pitching the ball all over the place, I'd say go back to your regular backswing and maintain your accuracy.
One of the guy's on our league actually brings the ball straight up above his head, just before the foul line. Averages high 200's, has his foot planted at the foul line while the ball is half way down, but it's a weird approach to watch. And yeah a year or so ago, he lost grip on the ball and it fell on his head!!
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Wow that article makes so much sense. i will try to do that the next time i practice because i muscle the ball on the way up on the back swing.
Yesterday I bowled at an ally which I only been to one other time. The lane was oily, but the ball was gripping like it wasn't oily. The lane was also fresh, so I tried many attack angles and speeds. Eventually I was standing errect with the ball abit higher than normal. By doing that, the backswing was higher. Half way past the second game I found the sweet spot playing 5 boards left of center, with a high backswing and my IQ ball to score a 255. After I was done the lane operator explained to me the lane. It was a 40 foot christmas tree pattern with medium oil on synthetic lanes. I am accustomed to playing on played dry lanes. Or oily lanes, both of which use the top hat like pattern.
I've got this down pretty good now. Like I explained in the last post.
1. Stand up strait.
2. hold the ball up higher than normal.
3. let the ball drop into the swing.
4. bend forward when the ball passes the leg.
5. Let the ball go to the top of the back swing and fall.
6. release.
It's harder for me to do all the hand/wrist action with the high back swing because the swing is faster on the way out than a low swing.
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